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Anyone who has had base of tongue cancer or is a friend or family member and wants to talk about this very rare cancer is welcome! I have suvived 12 years since being diagnosed with metastatic base of tongue cancer and would love to meet someone else who has gone through this as well!

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July 23rd, 2010

Pet Scan came back negative

posted by jebob on 9:52 am

Just wanted to share that the first pet scan (six months after surgery) came back negative.   I share this in hopes that it will encourage you.   We have a long way to go but people are beating this!

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July 20th, 2010

New to the website--recently diagnosed--still seemed surreal until the peg tuber and the mediport!

posted by gr8mnesia on 11:48 am

60 year old male with cT2N2M0 Stage IV A moderately differentiated squamous cell carcinoma base of tongue. Started as a right neck abcess in 08' and CT showed second branchial cleft cyst which was resected and path showed benign but severe dysplasia. Neg CT/neg adenapathy one year later. Had EGD in January of 2010 for Barret's Esophagitis surveilance and found mass at the base of the tongue. Had it excised 2 days later and biopsy came back benign with severe dysplasia. 6 week check up things healing well. 6 month check, lesion returned. Wider excision and further biopsies--still called benign with severe dysplasia. All biopsies sent to Mayo Clinic--their review indicated invasive moderately differentiated squamous cell carcinoma with the original neck biopsie in 08' a metastatic node from what was then an occult primary in the neck. Have since had pet scan/ mediport/ peg tube and am starting 7 weeks of radiation IMPT( 35 treatments M-F for 7 weeks) with concurrent cisplatin chemo therapy once aweek for up to 7 weeks if toxicities don't prevent. Have had 2 days of radiation and one chemo so far. Have talked to one other patient who endured this treatment 3 years ago and nobody has sugar coated the process. So that is where I am at now.

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July 18th, 2010

6 Months After BOT surgery. 2 Months post Chemo/Radiation

posted by jebob on 11:29 am

My husband was diagnosed  with BOT cancer which metasticized in lymph nodes 12/16/09.  He had surgery to remove the cancer on the base of his tongue as well as removal  of all lymph nodes around his neck which had cancer on both sides.   He also completed six weeks of  chemo/radiation.   After surgery, he worked with a speech therapist to gain back his ability to swallow.   He started eating soft, solid food in April and things went well until his third week of radiation.   He reverted back to his feeding tube (inserted after surgery) until two weeks after radiation.   In June, he stopped using the tube (it will be removed soon since he can maintain his weight).   He supplements his meals with Ensure Plus.   He also had quadruple bypass ten years ago so I have to keep him on a heart healthy diet that has a lot of calories - no easy task.   Lots of pasta, but also chicken, fish, steak, chops in healthy sauces.   The biggest problem now is neck tightness and dry mouth.   He is taking Evoxac for dry mouth but it takes a while to help.   The tightness in his neck is most uncomfortable for him especially at night.   Has anyone found anything for it?   Also, how long before it lets up?

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July 8th, 2010

My Dad recently diagnosed

posted by Cece_moore on 6:44 pm

 My father who is 61 years old was diagnosed with BOT cancer about a week ago.  There have been non stop doctors visits since then.  He has had mutiple scans and imaging and they beleve the cancer in contaned to a 3mm tumor at the base of his tongue which is cause his lymph nodes to cluster and swell.  His oncologist says surgery isn't an option and has decided to treat him with 7 weeks of daily radiation, and chemo treatments 3 times through the course of his radiation treatments.  They have already inserted a feeding tube for when he inevitable can't eat or swallow.  He is scheduled to start his treatment plan soon, but his oncologist sent him to see a dentist first since the saliva/mucus gets so thick in his mouth during treatment that it can cause tooth decay and thus infections in the gums and jaw.  The dentist says they want to remove 4 of his molars before they even start treatment!  They won't start chemo until the dentist ok's it.  Has anyone else fighting this type of cancer had to have their teeth removed?  I guess i can understand the risk of infection is very serious, but is it necessary to preemptively take out his teeth. This whole whirlwind of events has been so hard, he already has a feeding tube and now they want to pull him teeth and chemo and radiation hasn't even started yet!  I am completley worried and scared, any advice you can give me would help.

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by wifeofandy on July 13th 2010 at 1:38 pm

 
Hi Cece
My husband just turned 60 and was diagnosed with BOT, Stage IV in January (he had one involved lymphnode – 2-3 cm, I think). He is being treated at Mass General Hospital in Boston, MA. Because of his “young” age and general good health and good shape, they offered him an induction chemotherapy which lasted 3 months – he had 3 chemo infusions, one every 21 days – each infusion lasted 5 days. THEN, after 3 weeks of recuperation, they started the 7 weeks of daily chemo/radiation.
 
He was urged to see his dentist to make sure all needed dental work was done before beginning any of his treatment however there was no recommendation to remove his teeth. My husband had trays made for his teeth, which he used for daily fluoride treatments (he did this religiously and his teeth are fine).
 
I have heard that some people have had to have ALL their teeth removed. One wife whose husband had all his teeth removed, said, “do not let them do it.” I’d have a hard time with it! I heard that if you don’t remove teeth at risk before the treatment and have to have them removed afterward, you risk breaking your jaw??? I did not hear this from a doctor, so I would find out why they are recommending it and what would happen if you don’t remove them.
 
The 3 months of induction chemotherapy is not a proven therapy to cure BOT but the idea is to kill any cancer that may have spread that is undetectable. It was also felt that any risk of postponing the radiation therapy would be offset by this additional treatment. My husband pretty much threw up for 3 months. It was grueling and made for a very long treatment, however, once you involve a lymphnode, I believe the cancer has spread and at 59 years old, we didn’t want to take any chances. After the 3 months, his tumor was completely gone, however, not the cancer – this was considered extremely successful since some patients show no improvement in their tumor and most show some reduction so we were thrilled.
 
He was also offered to participate in a trial therapy, which he opted to do. The only difference in the trial was that he would receive panatumamab (sp?) – an additional chemo during the standard radiation/chemo treatment. Panatumamab has the potential to target just the cancer cells – it is proven with other types of cancers but not BOT, however, it is believed that it should in theory work.
 
My husband is 6’4” and generally weighs 210 lbs. He “only” lost 10 lbs. during the first 3 months of chemo, which was great. He is now done with the radiation therapy as of June 8th and is just starting to feel better. He really has had a terrible time with nausea. His weight is now hovering around 180 but he never lost his ability to swallow and has managed constantly drink and eat, even if it was just soup or pudding throughout the entire radiation treatment. His neck got very red/raw but never really bled and with regular treatments of Domeboro and Aquafor his neck was healed within 3 weeks after radiation stopped (we did this treatment at least once a day and sometimes 3 times a day).
 
All I can say is, you have one shot at this – I recommend doing everything possible and be religious about caring for your neck, your mouth, your teeth, your nutrition and HYDRATION. My husband did have serious hydration problems so we were really on top of it. Also, the anti-nausea drugs are essential, make sure your pain his managed (THERE SHOULD BE NO PAIN) and take all the Lorzepam they offer you. My husband took two before every radiation treatment so he wouldn’t care about it – you don’t feel anything but it can cause a lot of anxiety.
 
Sorry for the long story but we have gone through it all and just recently. If you have any questions, feel free to call me at 978-664-1787 or email me at lambiep@comcast.net.


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June 28th, 2010

Personal Blog Website for BOT Cancer Journey

posted by MarenMeg on 9:59 am

My husband, 64, was diagnosed with BOT cancer on March 4, 2010.  He is in the recovery stage after completing 7 weeks of radiation and 5 chemos concurrently on June 10th.  We started a blog on March 23rd so that we could document what was happening for us and for others.  It is "our story" but we feel so many others who are going through this and the caregivers who are a part of this process may possibly benefit from our postings.  The first entry is entitled "A Bump in the Road" and gives a brief schedule on how we found out about this rare cancer.  I read one of the recent postings to this site asking if this is as bad as the doctors indicate or are they just not wanting to give false hope.  My answer is that it is a painful journey but that the prognosis is usually good, at least that is what 3 specialists have told us.  People don't have join anything.  Just click on the link and I hope our experiences help in some way for others sharing the same news.  www.gordytaylor2010.blogspot.com

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June 22nd, 2010

Supporting my husband ...

posted by JojoZwife on 10:14 pm

Well, since we found out about his diagnosis with BOT, 4/23/10, we have had two opinions ... one at SWMedical Dallas and MD Anderson in Houston.  We know that he has a window of six weeks before we have to redo scans.  While at MD Anderson, I found comfort in the supportive team of surgeons, pathologists, dentist, and radiologist.  Now that we have made a decision to see a doctor recommended to us by the radiologist at MDA, who consequently use to be a fellow at MDA, we feel as though we'll get the same care knowing this doctor's previous association with MDA.  My concern is not having the other supportive team members to help us along the way.  Will we have the other team members assigned to us by the doctor?  I just want my husband to get the best care available.  If any of you were in my shoes would you do further research on their backgrounds even though they come highly recommended by this doctor?  We already have our surgeon at SWMedical Dallas.  I felt so much confidence in MDA, it's difficult to know we're now on our own.  I'm also wondering if any others of you who have been through the treatment for BOT experienced the degree of side effects we continue to hear about to the degree that we've heard.  Or, is it practice to give worst case scenario if in the event, rather than giving false hope to patients?  I'm hoping the chemo will melt the tumor down so the radiation will be minimal as well as the side effects.  Have any of you experienced this situation?  Thank you for your support. 

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June 22nd, 2010

Hi :) New Survivor

posted by Wchapp on 3:46 pm

I've been lurking this blog for several months and thought it was time i came out of the closet.
I was diagnosed with BOT (1 cm ) and a 2 cm left neck lymph node metasis in Jan of this year. Started comination chemo/rad treatment first week of Feb.
My treatment was different from any I have read about here.  I had IMRT twice a day morning and afternoon along with chemo on the first day of the week and a pump of fu-5 that lasted a week.  After one week of treatment i had a week off.  Then I did a repeat of the first week.  The net was a week on treatment and then a week off treatment for 10 weeks.  Total was 50 rad, 5 cisplatin. and 5 weeks of fu-5.  Ironically the weeks off were the worse and just asbout the time i started to feel ok it was back to oncology center.
I had a port put in, but no feeding tube.  Infusing liquids and foods were a bitch and I lost 40 lbs over the course of treatment.
My last trament was mid April.  I had ct and pet scans the last week of may and the were all negative,, nada,, zilch.  they were good enough that they cancelled the planned resection on my left neck.
I have questions about recovery time.  I still cant eat anything but soup and sometime noodles and mashed potatoes.  Taste buds have just started to come back ( i can drink sweet ice tea that actually tastes like ice tea), but for the most part any thing i try to eat still tastes terrible.  I am maintaining my weight but i cant gain any till i can get back to eating.  I also have all the various mouth / saliva/ dry mouth / mucus etc issues that most of you have described.
I have noticed that you all seem to talk about Ensure.  I was a solid ensure user from about 3 weeks into treatment and still use it today,  I found Nestles ( carnation ) VHC instant breakfast.  For the same volume (250 ml) as ensure you get 560 calories compared to 350 from ensure plus.  What i did was mix an ensure dark chocolate with the instant breakfast twice a day which got me close to the 2000 calories / day my docs wanted me on.  This week I'm kicking it to 3 times a day which gives me 2700 calories and should get me a few new pounds.
I'm dreaming of the day I can sink into a good prime rib or some baby backs.  I'm wondering how long it took you to recover eating capabilities and how the progression went.

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by jebob on July 23rd 2010 at 6:56 pm

Hi wchapp,
I finished treatment 5/21/10 and my tastebuds are coming back helter/skelter.   Fruit still doesn't taste like fruit but sweet potatoes starting to taste like sweet potatoes and meat like meat.   My meals have to be very wet, i.e., I mix my steak/chicken with my mashed potatoes and a lot of onion gravy.   Bread is still hard but Subway flatbread goes down ok.  Keep going back to foods and experimenting because changes are weekly if not daily.


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June 16th, 2010

Continue Support for Jojo

posted by Brother-of-Jojo on 11:40 am

I will be going to Houston with my brother to hear the findings from his biopsy. MD Anderson Hospital offers a treatment called Proton Beam... We will be finding out if he is a good candidate for this procedure. Decisions will be made after whether he is to be treated there or stay in Dallas (where he lives) And go to Southwestern. Any thoughts out there? I do know MD Anderson in Houston offer that particular treatment and SW does not. If he does not qualify for the Proton Beam treament and will undergo traditional treatment is the move to Houston viable? Also, anyone out there familiar with this Proton Beam treatment? Thank you.

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June 2nd, 2010

Follow up treatment

posted by maxsmart on 1:17 pm

My husband finished his treatments in February and had a clear PET scan in April.  Today he was told they are scheduling another scan.  Just wondering how often scans are scheduled after treatments.  I know it is important to keep ahead of things because of recurrence but six to eight weeks between scans seems a little much.  Is this normal?

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May 25th, 2010

What to do part 3

posted by Brother-of-Jojo on 4:38 pm

Sorry. Additional thoughts go through my head as soon a I hit "post"
It seems as I read other posts on this site, I notice the ages...  FYI, my brother is 48 and doesn't smoke or drink. Are the others who fall into this range?
just curious.

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by lmarsa on May 25th 2010 at 7:11 pm

 
I'm not a medical doctor.  But UT Southwestern is an excellent facility and your brother will get state of the art care.  Make sure they give him speech pathology sessions each week to maintain his ability to swallow.  But time is of the essence.  IMHO I don't think you need a second opinion.  Yes, MD Anderson is the best.  But UT Southwestern is a superb hospital, too, and he's lucky to have such a good hospital close by.  I'd move ahead as quickly as possible.  I


by Brother-of-Jojo on June 16th 2010 at 11:18 am



Edited by Brother-of-Jojo, on June 16th, 2010 at 11:39 am.
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May 25th, 2010

What to do part 2

posted by Brother-of-Jojo on 4:19 pm

I know this is a Survivor's blog, so who better to ask advice. Thank in advance for any thoughts.

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May 25th, 2010

What to do...

posted by Brother-of-Jojo on 4:14 pm

My brother just found out he has BOT. I'm getting more details from my sister, but from the sound of it it seem serious. According to Dr. it is stage 4.As I write this he is getting consultation on the type of procedures they will be planning to do. Timing seems to be crucial, but should we get a second opinion in regards to the type of treatment. Especially from a hospital/cancer treatment center that is more specialized. Presently he is at Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas Texas. According to my online research, University of Texas, M.D. Anderson Cancer Center is in Houston and is regarded as # 1 or at least top 10 Hospitals in research and treatment of cancer.  My sister believes it is a risk to wait. The cancer at this time is isolated and has not spread into other ares yet. My brother is a chiropractor and my sister is a head nurse, I in the other hand am a designer - far from being any expert in the medical arena.
What to do...?

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May 13th, 2010

New Memeber

posted by mokpo on 10:48 pm

Hello. I just found this site.  Thank you to everyone who has posted. My husband is 62 and was diagnosed with BOT cancer on December 21 . It had spread to the lymph nodes on one side of the neck (stage 4.) This is how the cancer was found. The PET scan showed it did not spread outside the neck area. He was treated very aggressively with Chemo (Cisplatin,Taxotere, and 5-FU every 21 days) for four treatments along with 7 weeks of radiation (35 treatments.)  Treatments finished 8 weeks ago. Surgery (left modified radical neck dissection) plus another biopsy on the tongue is scheduled in twelve days.  I was curious about the surgery and what to expect. I noticed that one survivor spent five days in the hospital.  My husband had a PEG tube inserted on January 13, the same week as his first chemo treatment. He didn't start using the liguid diet until Feb. 12, and it has been a life-saver. He even gained a few pounds! My husband has a problem with too much thick saliva making it impossible to eat and hard to swallow.  Hopefully this will improve with time. The ENT wants him to try to eat and swallow. My husband is not a smoker.  He stopped working in January and has been able to stay home to rest. Thank you again.

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by sshay0100 on May 17th 2010 at 4:52 pm

I'm dealing with thick saliva too.  I'm 18 months out of treatment and I use a hand bender to grind my food up.  I'm still working so it's a struggle to maintain my weight and remind myself to eat.  It's good to hear that he's taking time off. 


by mokpo on May 19th 2010 at 5:02 pm

Thank you for your reply.  It is good know my husband is not alone in dealing with the thick saliva and to know it may last for awhile. I hope things improve for you soon and that you can gain weight, too. Take care.



Edited by mokpo, on May 22nd, 2010 at 7:12 pm.

by Fourdays on May 24th 2010 at 4:47 am

The thick saliva does get better over time. I am 14 months after right neck dissection surgery and the effects of the radiation/chemo treatments is improving - I had basically the same treatment as your husband , although I had the radiation boost (brachytherapy). I started eating within 30 days after surgery and was thrilled when I was able to have my PEG removed. I lost 40 lbs during the peg and have gained back 25 lbs - no problem eating and my taste buds are are back but more sensitive to spicy foods. Dry mouth is the biggest challenge especially at night when sleeping - a humidifer helps.
The brachytherapy complicated  the surgery because a trach was necessary and the catheters inserted around the tumor site was an additional surgical procedure at the same time of dissection. I was released in 5 days and the scaring is barely noticible. The side effects in my case are minimal, besides the dry mouth there is tightness and some residual numbness in the neck area.
Good Luck....
 


by mokpo on May 27th 2010 at 8:35 pm

Thank you for your reply. My husband was encouraged after I read your post to him. He had surgery on Tuesday, the 25th, and he is home today! So, he only spent two days in the hospital.  Everything went well and his neck looks so good. I was expecting to see a lot of swelling but there is none.  There is grenade-like bulb connected to a tube inserted in his chest to drain the fluids but that will be removed on Tuesday. The doctor didn't see the tumor at the BOT during the re-biopsy, so that sounds good but we won't get the pathology results until tomorrow or next Tues.  I'll have to read more about the brachytherapy you had done. Your surgery sounded much more complicated but it is encouraging to hear that you are doing so well. Thanks again and I'll keep reminding my husband that he WILL get better! Take care.


by mokpo on June 1st 2010 at 5:16 pm

Hi. I just wanted to do an update on my husband's pathology report from his surgery last week.  We had wonderful news today. All seven lymph nodes and the biopsy of the tongue came out clear. We are very grateful. Thank you for all your support.


by hilaryp118 on June 2nd 2010 at 12:15 pm

 What great news for you guys!  Some helpful hints I've read for thick saliva were for saline nose drops and tussin/mucinex. My dad will be starting radiation in approx. 2 weeks so I'm not sure if they will help or not. Best of luck to you and your husband!


by mokpo on June 2nd 2010 at 10:50 pm

hilaryp118 thanks for your advice and well wishes. We'll ask the doctors about the mucinex when we see them in two weeks.  I was reading that your dad starts chemo on Monday. Make sure he takes the pills they prescribe for nausea. They really helped my husband. Also, when the time comes when he needs a cream for his neck during radiation the best kind that was given to us as a free sample was called Xclair cream for radiation dermatitis symptom relief. It's manufactured in Italy but distributed by ALIGN in New Jersey. It actually healed the skin on my husband's neck in just a few days after it started to crack.  It was amazing and it wasn't greasy. The web site says: www.alignpharma.com. We never needed to use the prescription and so I don't know what the cost would be at the pharmacy.  It's always important to ask the doctor what creams are alright to use during treatment. They'll probably give you something to use for the dry skin.  Is the surgery planned after treatment? I wasn't sure if you said he was having it before or after. Good luck on Monday and if I can be of any help please ask.


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May 13th, 2010

New Member Intro - Entering Round Two

posted by butchsdaughter on 8:58 am

Hi everyone.  I am really happy to have found this group. There is not much information out there about this cancer in comparison to other conditions, which can certainly be frustrating.
My father, 68, has recently been diagnosed with BOT cancer...for the SECOND time. He was NED for over 10 years, but in the last month he was experiencing some pain while eating, went to his doc, and, well, you can guess the rest. It turns out he has a stage three tumor a few inches away from the original location, but per his PET scan, it has not metastisized yet - the good news. Like many folks on here, he has residual damage from his first, very intensive set of treatments, which included chemo, surgery that removed a majority of lymphs in his neck on both sides, radiation seed implants, and external radiation treatments.  Dry throat, taste bud issues, swallowing challenges on occasion, and mucus issues when he has even a minor cold.
All that said, my father is an amazing guy, who has had a renewed outlook on life since his first bout with this disease.  He follows his passions, owning a Corvette (the original he gave up when I was born!) and heading out to AZ for racecar driving lessons.  He now has two grandchildren he adores (my kids, 5 and 2) and is nowhere near ready to NOT see them grow up.  He is a fighter and ready for battle.
They are recommending chemo and radiation to avoid surgery and removal of a signifcant part of his tongue - using the CyberKnife in treatment - to attack this, but have encouraged us to go for a second opinion as his docs have not had the direct experience with a case like his with those treatments in combination.  We are in that process now.
I am wondering if anyone on here has gone through a second battery of treatments for this condition, how it has been handled, and what challenges you've faced based on any residual damage that we may need to think about.  (I am sorry but haven't had time to review everyone's posts!)
I hope this is an appropriate post for this forum (albeit lengthy), and I would appreciate any insight anyone may have - we're going for double-survivor status here!

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May 11th, 2010

BOT diagnosis/questions about lymph node inolvement/metastases

posted by lmarsa on 4:03 pm

My husband was just diagnosed with BOT today.  So far, the ENT thinks it is stage 2.  We are meeting with the radiation oncologist on Thursday.  Surgery is not recommended because of where the tumor is--apparently, it could impair his ability of swallow and outcomes are about the same for surgery and raidation plus chemo.  Here is my question.  We had an MRI done a couple of weeks ago--which is when we discovered he had a mass.  It did not show any metastases.  However, do we need a PET scan for a definitive diagnosis?  Although the tumor is relatively small--less than 4 cm.--I am still concerned about metastases or lymph node involvement, which would dramatically change his prognosis.  Does anyone have experience/insights?  Obviously, we're still reeling but want to be as informed as possible.  Also, the ENT said this type of cancer was prone to metastases and metastacizes in 60% of cases.  Here again, any insights/experiences?  THANKS!

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by butchsdaughter on May 13th 2010 at 9:49 am

My father actually had radiation implants in his tongue - although this was 12 years ago - very similarly, they could only remove so much.  His did metastisize into the lymphs, and they removed a significant portion on both sides. Mind you, his tumor was larger, stage 3. Treatments have improved since then, so hopefully your husband's swallowing won't be as impacted as much.
My understanding is that a PET is the most thorough means of identifying if it has spread.
I hope the oncologist meeting went well today.


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May 10th, 2010

Surgery done!

posted by fmgags on 7:40 am

Well I had my surgery done this past tuesday and i was released on saturday. Doctor tells me that they removed 100% of the tumor in the tongue and did not have to cut as much as originally thought. 2 cuts and they got it all. Also did find some in the right lymph nodes as well which were removed.The top of the chain was positive for cancer and the towards the bottom was negative. Need to heal up get radiation and was told might have to do chemo as well. So far everything sounds good. Getting the staples removed from both sides of the neck sometime within the week.

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May 9th, 2010

Basaloid Squamous Cell??

posted by hilaryp118 on 4:10 pm

 We found out that my dad's base of tongue cancer is basaloid squamous cell stage IV.  Has anyone else been diagnosed with this type?  Any pt. accounts with treatment type and outcomes would be greatly appreciated!  

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May 9th, 2010

Alcohol Dependency during treatment

posted by cheilRN on 2:48 pm

My husband is an alcoholic  with BOT cancer and had surgery May 3 to remove lymph nodes on both sides of the neck. He also needed to have his left carotid artery cleaned out at the same time. He will be receiving chemoradiation as well.  My husband had cut back on drinking to 4-6 beers daily. I insisted that he not be put through alcohol withdrawal while in the hospital for fear that it could causes problems with his carotid surgery and/or increase his hospital stay. Alcohol withdrawal can be a very serious complication, patients can require hospitalization for weeks.  As long as the Dr's have an accurate understanding of your father's alcohol dependency /consumption, they should be able to guide you. Alcohol can be given down a feeding tube, possibly weaning his consumption down over time.  I would not recommend any abrupt discontinuation of alcohol at this time.  Good luck!!

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May 3rd, 2010

Alcohol and treatments

posted by dam816 on 4:58 pm

My 78-year old father was diagnosed with base of tongue cancer that has spread to the bilateral lymph nodes. The PET scan does not indicate the cancer has spread anywhere else.  We are getting ready to undergo treatments (radiation with lchemo) in two weeks. He is naturally very upset and worried about the treatment and recovery. I have had to move him to my home (he lives alone and is too far away for me to help).  The problem is that he is drinking very heavily (he was always a drinker but this has set him over the edge).  I am trying to get him to cut back but to no avail. I am very concerned what will happen with the treatments - his doctors have told him to cut back (they realize he cannot quit all together).  Does anyone have any advice (no, he will not consider AA or anything similar) or has anyone else helped an alcoholic through this treatment? I have told him that it will be very difficult if he does not start slowing down.

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by MarenMeg on May 6th 2010 at 6:38 pm

First, you are to be commended for having your dad move in with you during treatment.  It would be impossible for him to do this alone.  My 64-year old husband--very healthy, never smoked, and active--was diagnosed with BOT while we were staying in Florida over the winter.  We enjoy wine with our meals and when in Florida a margarita or two!   One of the lymph nodes has been affected also. 
In a way, I wouldn't be too worried about his alcohol consumption because when he starts both radiation and chemo,he will NOT want to drink or eat anything.  At first, my husband would eat soup and Ensure and Boost but now he gets all of his nourishment from a feeding tube called a PEG.  This is a lifesaver.  This is how he "eats" now.  For the next 2 weeks, he'll probably drink more than usual but when he starts treatment, my bet is that he won't want to drink anything! 
My husband has radiation Monday through Friday for 7 weeks total.  On Fridays, he also has chemo--cisplatin. 
Hope this helps you.  Good luck!


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May 1st, 2010

New Base of Tongue Diagnosis

posted by golferman on 7:46 am

I was just diagnosed with Base of Tongue Cancer this past Monday. As you all know, it is a big shock. I'm trying to read and understand as much as I can, but the amount of material out there is mind boggling. My daughter found this chat room and I think it could be just what I need at this time to add to what the doctors will do for me.
I'd like to tell you my story and then ask a question. My situation only started about three weeks ago with a sore throuat for 4 or 5 days. When the sore throat didn't seem to go away, I did something that the doctors are still amazed about. I stuck my finger down my throat to see if I could feel where the soreness was coming from. To my shock, I discovered a lump on the top and side of the base of my tongue. I immediately went to an ENT doctor and the biopsy showed that it was malignant. I had a Pet Scan yesterday. The Cat Scan that was done 10 days ago did not show any movement into the nodes. I don't know about the Pet Scan yet. At this point, I am a T2 N0. They said I was able to catch it early.
At this point, they do not think I am a good candidate for surgery. They feel that radiation and chemotherapy are the best options.
My first big question has to do with where I should go for the radiation treatment. At this point, I was directed by my ENT to a local Radiation center that is 10 minutes from my house. Because I live in the Tampa Bay area, I have the Moffitt Cancer Hospital just 45 minutes away. I have a consultation meeting with them later this week and am leaning toward going there even though it will mean more traveling. My question: Is it important to select a GREAT raditation place or are they all doing the same work?
 

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by lmarsa on May 4th 2010 at 3:08 pm

Hi: My husband was diagnosed this a.m. We are still reeling. And of course, I'm on the Internet trying to find out more information. I am a medial journalist. Writing about new medical advances is what I do for a living. In answer to your question, your doctor can make the difference between life and death. GO to Moffitt as fast as you can. RUN!!! You're lucky to have a world class facility near you. We are near UCLA, thank goodness. They will save your life. Our local ENT did not diagnose my husband. The doc at UCLA--who my husband insisted on seeing--saw immediately what was wrong. We'd still be messing around with antibiotics if we had stuck with the local guy. "nuff said.


by MarenMeg on May 6th 2010 at 6:47 pm

My husband was diagnosed with BOT cancer while we were in Florida over the winter.  Now he begins his 3rd week of treatment tomorrow.  He concurrently has radiation five days a week and then on Fridays, he has chemo also.  He will be having this for 7 weeks. 
Now that you are diagnosed, the big thing is to get a very reputable and respected radiaologist and oncologist at a top notch facility.  Go to the Moffitt Cancer Hospital!!!  Even though it is 45 minutes away, it would be worth it to you.  We travel 55 minutes five days a week and are very comfortable with our decision that we are getting the best treatment.
An ENT specialistat Northwestern Hospital in Chicago urged us to get a very good center for the radiation/chemo.  This is very important.  You will probably have IMRT for radiation and wear a mask.  No surgery for my husband also.
Also,by the time my husband began treatment, one of the lymph nodes had cancer invade it but don't get too concerned about this--there are a lot blood vessels in the throat area.  At first my husband was a T2 NO. 
Good luck!


by golferman on May 11th 2010 at 11:59 am

To Imarsa and MarenMeg:
Thanks so much for your comments and help. I have made my decision to go with the Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, FL. They seem like wonderful and very professional people. I am now in the planning stages and am scheduled to start my radiation about June 1st.
At this point, I am also T2 N0. Hopefully, I will get started before it moves to any of the lymph nodes.
Best Regards,
Golferman (Larry)


by golferman on May 11th 2010 at 11:59 am

To Imarsa and MarenMeg: Thanks so much for your comments and help. I have made my decision to go with the Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, FL. They seem like wonderful and very professional people. I am now in the planning stages and am scheduled to start my radiation about June 1st. At this point, I am also T2 N0. Hopefully, I will get started before it moves to any of the lymph nodes. Best Regards, Golferman (Larry)



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April 23rd, 2010

bot

posted by daddysbaby on 4:32 pm

Hello I new to this. My dad was diagnoised with BOT almost 4 years ago. It was a hard battle, he still is not working. This type of job he had was to hard for his to go back they ended up laying him off. I actually am in the process of writing a paper for school. My dads cancer made me curious on if there were many group that he could join to talk to people that have gone thru the same things. I have found this site and how im curious to see how other survivers that have had to change their life style and jobs. This would be beneficial to me if any one wants to share their experiences with me. thanks

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April 20th, 2010

One Year Out!

posted by shanefox on 12:15 pm

     I began my BOT treatment in October of 2008 by having all of my teeth removed from incisors back leaving me with six each top and bottom front teeth.  My radiologist told me that there was a high possibility of radiation getting to my jaw bone through a cavity or break in the tooth enamel and that this could cause  necrosis of the jaw bone, a nearly always fatal condition---he, in fact, refused to give me radiation unless I did this. My dentist and I fought a losing battle because my teeth were in excellent condidtion...I'm an actor and had spent lots, and lots of jingwah keeping them in good shape. Getting to this point is a story onto its self with my, for several months, insisting to an Ear, Nose, Throat doctor that something was wrong in my "throat" and that despite his ventures into my throat with tubes up my nasal passages, antibiotics, histamines, and etc, and etc there was soemthing wrong!.  He even performed a biopsy at some point and told me that "it is not cancer"!  After I did all but grab him by the throat and twisting his arm, he referred me to a specialist at Baylor in Dallas (Dr. Oxford)....Bingo!  Jackpot! 
     A deep tissue biopsy told the story! Stage 4, BOT which had not yet metastisized and I was off to the Tyler, TX Cancer Center and Dr. Saunders (radiologist) and Dr. Hyman (oncologist), and two really top nocth back up teams.  Both doctors were Phi Beta Kappa and fellows in their resptive disciplines.  I felt that I had made good choices and had assembled a good team to help me in my fight.  Remember this please, you choose who you want, research them, back ground, training and etc.  For example not every Doc is a fellow in his field or Phi Beta Kappa..each honor is an indicator of an achievement, success driven person..just what you need to conduct a winning fight! As a former Marine, I put myself into full survival mode and focused on winning the fight and staying alive.  But, I was not out to merely "survive", I wanted to thrive.  i didn't have to outhink my docs or second guess them, they were accomplished pros and all I had to do was my thing..FIGHT!
     At the time of my biopsy I was prepped for what was coming with implants of a PEG tube just below my sternum and a Mediport on my upper left chest and slated for forty-seven days of radiation given on five weedays, with a two-day break over the weekend and weekly chmo (cisplatin).  Before radiation I was fitted with my mask...my first reality check, this was not going to be any fun, not at all! The mask is a mesh contraption of malleable metal and plastic which is heated and formed to a skin tight fit from just above the sterum, over the shoulders, face, and head, completely covering all those areas to the back...it is then used to bolt you to the table so that you cannot move while receiving radiation.  It is marked for targetting the radiation doses and there is no room for variance.  Some people have to be tranquilized, but I soldiered through it with only a few really freaky moments when my imagiantion took over and asked me what would happen if there was a fire and the palce evacuated and I was forgotten about...but, I could hear my Sr. Drill Instructor talking me through that burst of panic, took a breath and soldiered on.
     Overall, I lost about sixty pounds, was plagued by almost constant nausea and had negative reactions to every palliative medicine they gave me for pain or nausea.  There was a shot in the stomach procedure which would have acted to preserve my salivary glands but it literally drove me to my knees with nausea and we had to stop it.  Despite all this, the thing I really despised the most was the damned tube feeding--but, it kept me nourished and alive. Upon compeltion of the treatment and a preliminary catscan showing "no activity" the radiologist examined me, palpitated my neck and throat and signed me up for swallowing therapy...when I started, I was still on the feeding tube and highly motivated to have it "yanked" out...little did I know how true that expression was going to be. Swallowing therapy is a process of being hooked to adhesive patches connected to upper and lower areas of the through and being jolted with electrical charges casuing the muscles to flex over and over for an hour three times a week.  When we started, I could not even swallow pudding, but as I'm writing this I am eating Brie on french bread with an occasional sip of water.  I can't eat chicken or most meats and brocoli and rice are just too granular, but I eat fresh salads, sandwiches and almost anyhting I want.  Foods with sauces or gravies work best, but a bite-sip of water-chew and swallow works just fine for almost everything. I started out needing mouth washes and a mouth gel to combat dy mouth as my salivary glans were pretty much history, but now a year out, my salivary glands have recovered quite a bit and only have had a handful of embarrasing restruarant moments (ERMs).  I no longer wake up with dry mouth, but still have a pronouced "wattle" under my chin which bgecomes less pronounced with time and my daily massaging of it to stop scar tissue from knotting up.
     I lifted weights,and still do, to restore the muscle mass that I lost and start each day with a "smoothy" loaded with a scoop of complex carbs and one of whey protein from the health food store, a banana, apple, orange, cup of soy milk, a few table spoons of yogurt, a half cup of frozen fruit and a couple of scoops of fat free frozen yogurt...good stuff and the carbs and protein and weight lifting have had a great effect on rebuilding muscle mass.
     At some point I had the Mediport and PEG removed and when I say it is yanked out, that is precisely what happens..without benefit of anesthesia, and the Mediport is cut out through a small incision and pulled out..pretty much a similar sensation to a flesh wound in the field and digging out the shrapnel. But, all is not wonderful, cancer is a life altering disease and you do not get over it as you do the flu.  I'm seventy but despite the cancer, I look about ten years younger and remain energetic and active; daily blog,  president of the Texas Alliance for Retired Aemricans, and on the Executive Baod and several committees of the national Alliance for Retired Americans, garden, walk and very involved in state and national politics. 
    But, again, all is not wonderful. My thyroid was dinged by the radiation and I have to combat lethagy and fatigue, a fine tremor, forgetfullness, difficulty in focusing.  None are so severe that medication is required, and my last blood panal indicated some recovery of the proper functions of the thyroid. My immune system is still out of whack and contributes (I Think - self diagnosis, since no MD can pinpoint its cause) to severe onsets of hivelike outbreaks which work their way up and down my body for five to six weeks and then mysteriously vanish, only to return in a few weeks or a few months without rhyme or reason.  If you've ever had poison ivey, it is like that only more intense and traveling back and forth and up and down limbs and trunk for weeks at a time. I take some sort of super anti-hystimine and an anti-anxiety med..which help me sleep during outbreaks and which seem to have a slight palliative effect.
     The process of fitting for and breaking in of dentures has been a real hassle, as the scar tissue in my mouth fights back and I think the contours of my gums keep changing so that I am constantly having to get them adjusted.  Like I said, this was a major issue from the start and I continue to hate this part of it above all else. However, these are minor hassles and considering the alternatives, I'm fairly content.  Stuff happens, and I'm essentailly agnostic, but deeply appreciate all the wonderful people who prayed for me..I draw strength from their love and attention.  I was overwhemed to learn how many carring friends I had..I even got a phone call from a grade shool "best freind" who I had not seen in years..his phone call really gave me a lot of strength.  My belief is that whatever "spiritual" process there is, it comes through other humans in day-to-day interaction. My wife  was my primary care-giver, and there are no words to be found that expresses all that she did, all that she went through, and how powerfully she affected my resolve to continue the fight when things were at their bleakest. Both the speciaist and Dallas and my oncologist have put me on a six-month check up schedule..it was every month, then every three months, so at one year out, I'm feeling truly OUT!

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by shanefox on April 20th 2010 at 12:28 pm



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by sshay0100 on June 21st 2010 at 9:40 am

I had a similar experience with my diagnosis.  I had persistant sore throat and after half a year of fooling around with antibiotics and humidifiers (my house was like a rain-forest); we had a follow-up with my ENT, but he was on vacation and his partner was filling in for him.  It took him two minutes to figure out what was going on.  
It's great to hear that you're back to eating and enjoying food.  It must have been a real shock to get teeth removed, and it's hard to imagine how your life might change.  Thanks for taking the time to share your story.  We all have a lot in common!


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April 14th, 2010

PET Scan result

posted by catya88 on 11:05 am

My boyfriend has stage IV BOT. He finished treatment Feb 7 and went for his first PET Scan Monday. It shows two spots on his lungs and cancer of the jaw. Can anyne help with what's next?

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April 6th, 2010

Diabetes and BOT Cancer Treatment

posted by jhzimm on 8:00 am

My dad is 64 and diagnosed with BOT  cancer about a month or so ago.  He has started 5 day radiation and  1 day per week chemo last week.  He went ahead and got a port and a PEG tube put in last Friday.  Along with the other side effects, the doctors said the treatments, meds etc. would cause problems with his diabetes.  Just wondering if anyone has had diabetes with this type of cancer, or if you have any good suggestions to help with side effects?!

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April 6th, 2010

Ear Pain?

posted by MarenMeg on 5:39 am

My 64-year old very healthy and fit  husband had a persistent sore throat beginning Feb. 1, 2010.  While we were in Florida for 2 months, he went through various dr. apts. culminating with a biopsy performed by an Ear, Nose, and Throat specialist at a hospital.  After 2 1/2 hours, the dr. called me in to say, "in all of my 27 years of medicine, your husband's was the most difficult biopsy I've performed. He has a 1 inch plus malignant tumor on the lower left base of his tongue."  Words that changed our lives forever, right?  PET scan revealed no cancer any where else except the tumor.  Upon returning to IL, he has seen two more specialists and all agree. This Friday, we meet with a well-respected and experienced radiologist and oncologist.  Robotic surgery is not recommended at this time.  He'll probably have 7 weeks of radiation and once a week during that time, he'll have chemo.  Okay, that's the background.  Has anyone experienced ear pain?  Last night it was severe.  He also feels like his head is going to buzz right off because of pain.  It is the left ear which is the same side as the tumor.  He is stage two or T2.  He is trying not to get a feeding tube when this begins; however, he doesn't have any weight to lose.  Any suggestions to put on weight or keep weight on when this begins?  Any suggestions or advice?  Many thanks.

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by Droosa on April 6th 2010 at 11:28 am

My cancer appeared via a lymph node so there is some difference there.  8 weeks of radiation and chemo once a week took care of the cancer.  I did not experience any ear pain during that time.
About the weight...  I did not have a PEG and they kept telling me I had to eat, which is difficult without taste.  So I decided to use Ensure.... Vanilla and warm...  I can tell you if you drink enough you can maintain or gain weight.  BUT into the treatment your throat burns when you drink the stuff.  There were days that I really had to force myself to drink the needed amount... 2000 calories.  Although the burn only lasts for seconds it is tough.  But my last visit with my Oncologist told me I was further ahead in my eating and weight compared to another patient the ended his treatment six weeks earlier than me.
Good Luck.... 


by hilaryp118 on April 8th 2010 at 9:57 am

My dad has not started treatment yet... but I have been doing some research on different cookbooks to help with ease of eating and comfort. You can google "dysphagia" diets or oral cancer cookbooks and see what you come up with. Several cookbooks are available offering pureed food, shakes, etc. There should also be a dietician available with your treatment team. If not, ask for one.


by maxsmart on April 9th 2010 at 5:58 pm

Hi, My husband also had ear pain and a sore throat.  The ear pain went away when he started radiation. About a month into treatment despite his best efforts he was unable to eat or swallow water.  He had to be hospitalized for dehydration and a PEG was put in.  He had lost over 35 lbs in a very short time.  He has been finished with treatment for 2 months now and still has the PEG.  His mouth is too dry and everything tastes to terrible for him to eat.  He can swallow water.  He really didn't want the PEG but now he would tell anyone in the same situation to get it.


by paul1959 on April 9th 2010 at 11:19 pm

 Hi I suffered earache for about 3 months before finally being diagnosed with BOT Cancer, I had a peg fitted before treatment but was determined not to and in fact didn't use it.  The treatment affects different people in different ways but one thing that seems fairly common is that the earache stops once radiotherapy starts so I wouldn't worry too much about that.  The mouth will get dry, just make sure your husband drinks plenty of water personally I went through around 3 litres a day.  The throat will get sore but to what degree no-one can say, drink plenty of water as I said earlier, try green tea also and be determined to eat naturally even if you have to puree your food.  The treatment does work, I am now three years out of treatment and looking good.  Best of luck and best wishes for a speedy recoverry


by butchsdaughter on May 13th 2010 at 9:42 am

My father is currently experiencing ear pain.  He has been told it is because the tumor is actually pushing against a nerve.  I couldn't say if that is any sort of consistent situation, but may be something to ask about.
How is your husband doing? It sounds as if you would be at least partially through the treatment regimen at this point. I hope all is going well.


by Paddyj on July 18th 2010 at 4:02 pm

ear pain and head pain were the main sypmtoms , this neuropathic pain is relentliss but he is takingmedication to help


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April 1st, 2010

Newly diagnosed BOT cancer and Transoral robotic surgery???

posted by hilaryp118 on 5:49 pm

 Found out today that my dad has base of tongue cancer with lymph node involvement.  My parents are debating whether to do surgery with chemoradiation or not. They saw specialists at Henry Ford Hospital that are doing transoral robotic surgery.  Has anyone gone through this surgery?  They are worried about disfigurement and recovery.  Any accounts with regards to  this would be helpful.  

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by MarenMeg on April 6th 2010 at 5:43 am

My husband has a small chin and jaw line and 3 doctors said that robotic surgery is not recommended.  Even if he had the surgery, he would still need radiation and chemo so we've opted for the chemoradiation.  My husband begins treatment, hopefully, on April 12th.  No lymph nodes are affected at this time.  Good luck.  It is a scary time for our family.


by hilaryp118 on April 8th 2010 at 9:39 am

 Thank you for replying!  We are returning to the surgeons office tomorrow for more info on the TORS (transoral robotic surgery).  We may get a third opinion at the Mayo clinic or MD Anderson and make a decision from there.  We are very scared too!  I am heartbroken over the battle that is to come...  Good luck with treatment, I wish you and your family the best!  Keep up with updates on his progress ;)


by butchsdaughter on May 13th 2010 at 12:58 pm

hilaryp118 - have you had any more info on the transrobotic surgery? it may be an option for my father as well and we are trying to learn a bit more about it in tandem with other treatments. I think  we will be heading to MSKCC in the next week so that will give us a good education but just wondering what you found out.  Thanks! Hoping he is doing well.


by hilaryp118 on June 2nd 2010 at 12:03 pm

 Actually, when we returned for the follow up visit re: TORS we found out that the tumor was actually larger than they initially thought.  Therefore, they no longer recommended that route for us.  We went ahead with a bilateral modified radical neck dissection.  My dad just got his mediport placed today, PEG tube tomorrow, and chemo to start on Monday.  I did do lots of research on the TORS and it shows promising numbers for recovery re: base of tongue cancer.  I wish you all the best in your quest for treatment options. I hope your dad is doing well also!  


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March 31st, 2010

Scared out of my wits

posted by fmgags on 8:08 am

Hi. Obviously new here. I have just heard that I have a milignate cancer on my tongue. I am 36 yrs old 3 kids and thought I was a strong guy. I was told that chemo wont be neccesary for me as they caught it early and surgury is needed. The waiting game is killing me. I am supposed to get a call today for another appt with another dr and my ct scan is scheduled for friday morning. I am just so scared for my wife and kids.......wow. Been having enough trouble to talk about it and here I am broadcasting on the worst possible media. the internet. One day at a time just trying to stay positive is taking alot out of me.

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by MarenMeg on April 6th 2010 at 5:46 am

Is the tumor at the very back or base of your tongue?  Catching it early is excellent!  Staying positive does take a lot out of people because you add all the thinking and worrying which takes an emotional toll which, in turn, makes you physically tired.  My husband is known at our university as a motivational speaker and now he must really walk the talk--no kidding!!  Once treatment begins, I'm sure we will be focused.  Right now the "hurry up and wait" process is excruciating. 


by fmgags on April 6th 2010 at 11:00 am

Mine is on the right side where my molars were. I had a bad set of molars that were actually biting the tongue. It seems to be exactly where the teeth were causing a problem. Not sure if that is the cause or not. I don't smoke, I drink but socially. The doc told me they don't see this in people under 50 that don't really do either which is why I am suprised. Had my ctscan friday and have not heard any results yet. I am assuming i will hear something on wed when i have my appt with the onocoligist (sorry if it is spelled wrong) just hoping it is just that spot and can be surgically removed.


by JFarrington on April 7th 2010 at 4:50 am

Hi, I really feel for you, you are in exactly the same place I was a year ago, and I understand exactly how you're feeling.  I am female, was 40 at time of diagnosis, I've never smoked and only drink socially too, I'm not overweight and always thought I was very healthy and then I was diagnosed with base of tongue cancer, a year ago.  I was shocked, as were all of friends and family.  Though my cancer was slightly different from yours, I do understand your feelings.  The waiting is the worse part, once I started my treatment I seemed to calm down and just get on with it.  I have two teenage boys and just couldn't bring myself to tell them until the treatment started.  But I'm through it now, it's gone, so I just wanted you to know that it'll probably be a rough journey but there is light at the end of the tunnel.  Sending you lots of good luck and best wishes.Stay positive.


by fmgags on April 7th 2010 at 5:33 pm

Well got some good news today. Initial ct looks like it has not spread to the lymph nodes and might just need to be surgically removed with a possibility of rad & chemo. Pet scan ordered for this monday coming to get a better idea of what is going on. Initial prognosis sounds good. I want to thank those who have responded to me as this I have known others with cancer and never realized the amount of energy going through something like this takes out of you. I have only begun traveling this road but feel a little more at ease as we progress through this.
Frank


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March 14th, 2010

caregiving friend

posted by rmrjhg on 5:07 pm

Our friend has BoT cancer.He is 60 years old --lives in the hampton roads area of virginia--and was diagnosed 12/09. He receives medical care through the Hampton VA hospital. his radiation is provided by Riverside Hospital radiation and is just the best place possible. He noticed a lump on the side of his jaw--had a CT scan--biopsy--peg tube. He was to have 3 chemos with Cisplatin but suffered kidneys failing after the first and was hopspitalized for three days and can have no more chemo.  He had 9 molars extracted before beginning radiation. He is 6 wks into 8wks of radiation.  He has been constantly dehydrated at least partly due to not getting enough liquids.  He is not eating or drinking much at all or using the tube and will not take the pain meds or use the cream to help the radiation burns.  He is instructed to  use 5 cans a day and does one.  He is still having maybe one to three cigarettes a day. He is needing 2 IV hydration treatments a week and is weak enough to sometimes use a wheel chair. Have other patients had teeth extracted? suffered so much dehydration?   kidneys failing? My husband and I and another friend of his are his caregivers and are struggling with his lack of compliance with what his drs. reccomend.  Anyone with a similar experience or advice would be welcome.

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by hilaryp118 on April 9th 2010 at 7:19 pm

 We met with the treatment team today.  They warned that the Cisplatin chemo is very hard on the kidneys and would require a two day hospital stay in order to properly "flush" out the kidneys.  The radiologist also said we should get a dentist's opinion on teeth that may need to be extracted because the radiated mouth and gums do not heal well.  Good luck with your friend, he's lucky to have you... in the end he is an adult and he'll have to live with the decisions he makes.  


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March 8th, 2010

AFib and Base of Tongue Cancer

posted by wifeofandy on 8:25 pm

Does anyone have Atrial Fibrillation as well as tongue cancer? My husband was in the hospital to have the mini-maze surgery when they discovered his tumor and cancelled his surgery. His A-Fib has caused some issues with his cancer treatment because of the coumadin. Because his blood doesn't clot well, his port ended up not working and we're now concerned about the PEG. Anybody have these issues? If so, how did you have the feeding tube without bleeding?

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by catya88 on March 9th 2010 at 10:40 am

I am a caregiver to my boyfriend. In December 2009 he was diagnosed Stage IV BOT and throat cancer. He had 7 weeks of radiation, every day and chemo once a week for the 7 weeks.
Here's Tim's story. The doctors really shot from the hip, didn't pull any punches. He didn't have the biopsy yet and the ENT said, You have cancer, wrote him three scripts for, lab, ekg and CAT scan. Had biospy December 7 on tongue and confirmed everything.
The radiologist was even more brutal. He said, by week four, you'll hate me, when it's all over, you'll wonder why you even bothered. Sounds bad, but my boyfriend truly likes all his doctors and there frankness.
He got bad radiation burns but survived all treatment with only one day of nausea.
After treatment stopped, the fun started, he went into the hospital four days after his last treament for pain management, it was bad. The mucus was bad but happy to tell you, that only lasted a little over a week.
The fatigue has hit him now and he's working half days.
He just found out today he'll need surgery but I don't have any details on that right, I'm still at work, will find out tonight.
A friend who does massages on cancer patients gave us some stuff from Lindi Skin to help with his burns, very expensive but it was good. He got cream from the doctor that they use on burn victims and I'm happy to tell you, he has some really nice and soft skin on his neck now, LOL!
He got his PEG before treatment started. Swallow, swallow, swallow as much as you can. Tim can only do liquids now, water/tea/coffee. Before treatment stopped he could still get pasta and vegatables down orally. Now he is on 6 cans a day. Unfortunately, he had no weight to lose before treatment so........he lost 20 pounds and doesn't look reall healthy.
He only had one fever that sent him to the hospital but it turned out to be nothing.
The hospital where he was treated had a chemo class that I attend that was really helpful and they outlined every aspect of the chemo, had all the scripts he needed for nausea, three of them and talked about the importance of the bowel movement.
I've also gotten good advice through the support group on cancer.org.
Cathy
 


by spok56 on April 1st 2010 at 3:52 am

Hi Catya,
My husband is 62 and has just been diagnosed with BOT cancer.  Wouldn't let me go to the first appointment with him and I am madly trying to get as much info as I can before I meet with the surgeon and radiotherapist and bombard them with questions.  We are both self employed, have private health insurance but no loss of income insurance.  We have our own businesses.  His business will probably not survive as he is a sole trader but I need to know exactly how sick he is going to get with all the treatment and whether or not I am going to be able to continue to work or he is going to need me with him fulltime.  I have two children who live at home and are both at university so they should be able to assist.  I am trying to stay positive but it is the not knowing that is killing me.  At least if I know I can plan. 
Sue


by maxsmart on April 1st 2010 at 6:06 pm

Hi, My husband is also 62 and was diagnosed with BOT cancer in early November.  He also owns his own business with one partner.  He has an office at home and was able to work for all but about 6 weeks.  He was able to do most of his work on the computer or over the phone.  He does travel for his job and has been unable to do that.  After about the third week of treatment he got very fatigued.  I would say from the middle of the treatment until about a month after was the worst time for him. He has also had a lot of trouble eating and had to have a feeding tube put in after he got dehydrated.  If the doctors suggest a PEG it is a good idea.  My husband was sure he could manage without one but he couldn't do it.  He is still not able to eat, he can swallow water.  He is working in his office all day now and he even mowed the back yard today. He has also played golf the last 2 weekends.  I hope this gives you some idea of what to expect.  My husband had 35 radiation treatments and 6 weeks of chemo with Cisplatin.  He was scheduled for 7 but was not able to have the last one due to some infection around the tube. One other thing my husband did not need someone with him at all times and really did not need a lot of constant care.  Since you have two children at home that can help, you should be able to continue to work.  Let me know if you have any other questions. 


by MarenMeg on April 6th 2010 at 5:49 am

What is PEG?  My husband is trying to drink a lot of Ensure and Boost in order to gain a bit of weight before everything begins.  Is this a food supplement?


by spok56 on April 7th 2010 at 3:49 am

Percutaneous Endoscopic Gastrostomy (PEG) is a surgical procedure for placing a tube for feeding without having to perform an open operation on the abdomen.   It is used in patients who will be unable to take in food by mouth for a prolonged period of time. A gastrostomy, or surgical opening into the stomach, is made through the skin using an a flexible, lighted instrument (endoscope) passed orally into the stomach to assist with the placement of the tube and secure it in place.


by JFarrington on April 7th 2010 at 5:08 am

Hi, Here is my little story, hope it helps anybody with BOT cancer.  This time last year I was diagnosed with BOT cancer.  I'd had a swollen lymph gland in my neck, that was removed, from that they told me it was cancer coming from somewhere in the aerodigestive area.  I had an MRI, CT and PET scan.  It was the PET scan that located the cancer, which was squamous cell carcinoma at the base of tongue.  I then had a biopsy on the base of tongue.  The waiting to find out the treatment was the most worrying time ever, I was told I'd have to have 6 weeks and 3 days of daily radiotherapy (not weekends), and weekly chemotherapy, which was to take place the same time as the radiotherapy.  I was 41 at the time, I'm female, I've never smoked and only drink socially.  This was a big shock to me, I'm not overweight and considered myself very healthy.  I had a PEG fitted, but tried my hardest not to use it and try and swallow what I could, but over the weeks it became increasingly more difficult to swallow even water or any medication, so I had to use it, but it just seemed to upset my stomach and I had even more problems, so I refused to use it and just lived on a quarter of a tin of Ambrosia custard for about a month, everything was painful to move over my tongue as it was all blistered.  I spent the last 8 days of treatment in hospital, as I was dehydrated, I had to have a couple of pints of blood and have daily morphine.  It was horrendous.  I lost my voice totally for about a month, then it came back gradually.  But I was finally given the all clear and I'm now about  10 months after the treatment and doing fine.  I still can't taste very much and my mouth is incredibly dry so hard to eat foods like biscuits, chocolate, potatoes, bread etc and I've lost about 2 stone.  I have monthly appointments, so still feel looked after.  My Oncologist and the team of radiotherapists were absolutely fantastic, I can't praise them enough.  Fingers crossed it never comes back.  Good luck to all.


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March 8th, 2010

Diagnosed on 1/14/10

posted by wifeofandy on 12:45 pm

All of your messages are so great and helpful. My husband is 60 and was diagnosed with Squamous cell carcinomas of the base of the tonguem, Stage IV. He is being treated at the Yawkey Center at Mass General Hospital in Boston. I have no idea where any of you are from and where you're being treated but it would be interesting to know. We chose to get the most extensive treatment so he is being treated in 2 phases - the first is the induction phase - 3 chemo infusions (for approximately 3 months) of cisplatin (4 days on / 17 days off) of which he's pretty sick for 10 days. His 3rd chemo treatment is this Friday then he should begin radiation with chemo around the middle of April for 6-8 weeks. Phase 1 hasn't been that great but it doesn't sound anything like the radiation phase! I'm pretty nervous about it and very concerned about the long-term effects and how long the recuperation period is.
It be interested to know where people are being treated and if anyone else had the induction and how you did with the radiation afterwards.
 

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March 7th, 2010

Suspected diagnosis

posted by acustins on 1:56 am

I have had numbness on the left side of my tongue since June or July. I had a small leukoplakia on the lateral anterior tongue biopsied in August, it was hyperkeratosis, presumably from my damaging it with my teeth because of the numbness. I thought I was in the clear, my hygenist found a small white lesion on my gum, and I returned to my oral surgeon to have it removed just a week ago. It is a papilloma, I had HPV positive cervial lesion as a teenager. I also have been, over the last month or so, been having pains in my ear and shooting down my neck on the same side. My lymph node is hard and this area hurts all the time. My oral surgeon referred me to an ENT because he is concerned about tongue base or tonsillar cancer relating to my symptoms and my HPV history and my recent papilloma in my oral cavity. I already had a CT of the neck by my primary MD that showed "one enlarged lymph node in the carotid chain" I don't know the cm size of it yet, this info was relayed during a short phone call. I am only 29 I am soooo scared. I have a 5 year old son. I am a nurse and I have seen what cancer does to people. I don't want him to forget me or just remember me as being a sick person. I haven't even been diagnosed yet, and I already can't sleep. I am also the sole provider for the household. Because I made more than my husband, he decided to be the stay at home parent, and we won't be able to make it on just what he can make. If I can't work I will lose my insurance and then I don't know how I will get treatment. I know this probably isn't the place to post this, but I need to have some kind of outlet or I feel like I am going to explode. I am very encouraged by reading the survivor stories, they make me feel much better about prognosis and the kind of attitude and perseverance I will need to adopt in order to beat this. I appreciate all of the posts to this blog! Thanks you for taking the time to read mine.

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by mizbrownie on March 7th 2010 at 8:01 pm

Hi there- I didn't have base of tongue cancer but aterior tongue cancer. I'm 36 but was diagnosed at 33. I understand how frightened you are.
Try not to spiral. Its easy to do when there are so many unknowns.
Have you had a positive biopsy and MRI/Petscan yet?
I'm glad that you are being watched by an ENT and oral surgeons who know what to look for. If you do have this disease then it sounds liek they will catch it efore it becomes any sort of problem..
Base of SCC tongue cancer with HPV is actually much more responsive to treatment than other SCC's so if that is the cause it is acutally better.
You will be completley covered by disability during your recovery from this if it comes to that so don't stress too much.
I am on this website oralcancerfoundation.org. It s a great support center for people with oral cancer. Feel free to email me if you have questions.
 
Hang in there. Everything will be OK.  K


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February 18th, 2010

Hi I didn\'t have base of tongue cancer but

posted by mizbrownie on 7:44 pm

Didn't see a group for that-- because it is also pretty rare! At 33  I had a full glossectomy partial mandiblectomy neck dissection radiation and chemo etc. The works. Anways. March 2nd will mark the 3rd year anniversary from my surgery. I have regained my life back relaly well. I can eat most everything but slowly and I can talk pretty well all things considering. I definitnely sound funny but who cares! I'm alive    I just joined livestrong and want to get involved  :) Thanks for listening

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February 6th, 2010

What now?

posted by maxsmart on 11:48 am

My husband just finished 35 radiation treatments and six chemo (cisplatin)  He had to have a PEG put in after the third week and spent four days in the hospital getting fluids.  His last chemo was cancelled because his neck was burned so badly.  My question is what happens now.  How long till he is able to taste again.  How long till he is able to swallow and get the PEG out.  We have so many questions about recovery.  The doctors don't seem to have the answers.  We are also worried whether the treatments were successful and the possibility of recurrence.   Interested in others recovery, effectiveness of the treatment and if anyone has had a recurrence.  Thanks

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by dsaw on February 9th 2010 at 6:33 pm

I have good news for you.  My husband's case sounds exactly like your husband's.  We, too, felt as though the docs didn't have answers for us.  My husband's last treatment was 3.5 years ago.  He's had no recurrence and each doctor visit has brought relief. 
My husband's taste wasn't the same at all for a while, but it gradually did return.  In our case, the first year after treatment was a gradual improvement in so many areas.  Although that may seem long, each week and month brings improvement.  Advice to your husband regarding the PEG tube:  Keep working at trying to swallow soft foods and liquids while the tube is still in place.  Nutrition can be added via the tube, but stay determined to swallow whatever he possibly can. 
My husband has not had a recurrence, and it was within a few months that it seemed to the doctors that he had a complete positive response to the treatments.  Don't be discouraged, because it takes time to recover from this huge ordeal.  Keep trying to encourage swallowing, and don't feel as though you aren't making progress toward recovery, because every day is a success.  Sometimes it's one step forward, two steps back, but you'll find yourself looking back and realizing the progress you've made. 
Let us know if there's anything we can do.


by maxsmart on February 10th 2010 at 3:51 pm

Thank you so much for your words of encouragement.  It is good to know from someone who has been there that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.


by paul1959 on February 26th 2010 at 2:03 pm

 Hi
I was diagnosed with stage four squamous cell cancer at the base of my tongue at the age of 47 in December 2006, I had the same treatment as your husband which finished in March 2007.  My side effects cannot have been as severe as your husbands as although painful I managed to eat some solid food all the way through, my biggest problem was constipation which lasted 23 days and landed me in hospital for a week.  My wife and I also felt that the doctors were short on answers but when we look back now we realise there's not a lot they could have told us until treatment had finished and the inflamation had settled down.  My taste buds took about six months before things started to taste as I remembered.  The lack of saliva was a bigger problem and lasted for three years, it is still not at full production but is managable.  On that score your dentist or doctor can prescribe special oral products to help but I personally found good old water worked best.  I am three and a half years into treatment and there has been no sign of any recurrence,  I am now on three monthly check-ups where they have a look at the base of my tongue with a camera and check my general health.  Three months after treatment had finished I returned to work on a part time basis, full time after six months and playing five a side football again also after six months.  The best advice I can give you is stay positive and keep focused on that light at the end of the tunnel because we do come out smiling at the end.
Best Wishes
Paul


by maxsmart on March 4th 2010 at 6:01 pm

Paul, Thanks for the reply.  I am glad to know that you have not had a recurrence.  My husband is having a problem with lack of saliva also.  Since my first post he is now able to swallow water.  He is very anxious to lose the PEG.  Hearing other people's experiences has been a big help.
 


by JFarrington on April 7th 2010 at 5:39 am

 
I've just seen your msg, my treatment sounds identical to your husband's, same treatment and PEG etc.  I also missed my last chemo because I was too poorly and my neck was badly burned, but it cleared up within a couple of weeks and now looks no different at all.  I am 10 months after treatment now.  I had my PEG removed about 7 weeks after the treatment.  I had tremendous pain when it was inserted and once I started using it I suffered with tummy upsets, so in the end I just used it for medication and water.  I tried my hardest to eat normally, but as you know, it was painful and difficult, so I survived on the minimal amount of food, but I just wanted it removed because I hated it so much, it made me feel like I was still ill and I just wanted it all gone.  All I can say is that every month is a little better, but 10 months down my mouth is still extremely dry, hard to swallow bread, potatoes, chips, biscuits etc, my taste is much better now, but not fully recovered.  I have had the all clear, but still on monthly check ups, they are very thorough and put a camera up my nose and down my throat each time.  If you have any questions about my recovery that might help you, please do not hesitate to ask.  Good luck with your husband. x


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January 27th, 2010

What can friends do to ease the burden?

posted by ky1atty on 6:36 pm

Other than cards, talks, etc..
What really helped you during your treatments?  Don't want to intrude, but want to be there in the right way.

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by sshay0100 on February 1st 2010 at 8:31 am

Babysitting, household help, yard help and getting some of the chores done would be a wonderful way to help out your friends and family.  Hope your friend is doing well.


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January 8th, 2010

LIVESTRONG SurvivorCare

posted by LAFBrooke on 6:35 am

Just wanted to let you know that LIVESTRONG.org offers info about how to deal with the aftereffects of treatment, tools to keep track of your treatments and ways to find a "cancer buddy".
One of the groups we partner with will match you by cancer type approximate age and such. It's called Immerman's Angels. The guy that runs it- Jonny Immerman- is an awesome dude. Here's info about LIVESTRONG Services and Immerman Angels.

http://www.livestrong.org/cancersupport
To talk one-on-one with a professional oncology social worker about insurance, medical debt, cancer side-effects, emotional support, clinical trial matching, etc: LIVESTRONG SurvivorCare: 1-866-673-7205
http://www.Immermanangels.org
Its so great to the support. Let me know if you need anything.

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December 30th, 2009

Living with Cancer

posted by sshay0100 on 7:12 pm

I was treated for head and neck cancer 14 years ago (when I was 26) and remember my last chemo cycle finishing on Christmas day.  My parents picked me up at the Hospital and we went to Dim Sum (Chinese food).  Chinese food would always cheer me up, but that was one of the few time that I wasn't thrilled to see a plate of General Gao Chicken.   
Last year I was diagnosed with Base of Tongue Cancer.  I am now a father with a wife and a four year old daughter.  I have been in remission for a year; however, none of my scans have been "spotless."  I like to joke that it feels like I'm on parole: I still need to see my doctor every two months.  The doctors seem to be cautiously optimistic.
Eating food is more of a chore and I tend to choose my food based on texture and ease of swallowing rather than taste.  I've started a "beans and greens" diet.  I make a batch of beans, asparagus, spinach and chicken broth and run a hand mixer through it until I have a green slurry.  I don't think there's much of a commercial market for my homemade mix of green mush, but it takes away some of the awkwardness of eating and it makes me feel like I'm building some of my body's defenses (I read that high fiber, avoiding meats and fats helps fight cancer.)
My options for fighting the next round of cancer might be down to home remedies - maybe not chicken soup, but I'm keeping an open mind.

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December 19th, 2009

operation

posted by gmgm1 on 11:39 am

Best wishes to all, 
I experienced a 20 hour operation, according to my parents.
The surgeon stated that he would be able to save my tongue,
but it was lost. That was 8/31/2005. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

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by mcshade on March 4th 2010 at 8:02 pm

It is highly probable that I also will lose a large part or all of my tongue in order to eliminate my cancer.  What has been you post operation experience with the quality of life issues?


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December 13th, 2009

Pain Information

posted by Zog22 on 7:24 pm

Hi. I recently found out that I have base of tongue cancer that has spread to lymph nodes, and start radiation/chemo treatment in a week or so. I've been told that the pain is nearly unbearable... that one can't sleep and this goes on for months. Would anyone who has been through this let me know what it is like?

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by darrasps on December 14th 2009 at 11:25 am

Hi Zog, I was diagnosed with Stage 3 sqaumous cell base of tongue and lymph nodes 9/28/05. Still here. Was treated in a protocol at Unv Miami Sylvester (sylverster.org) 4 mnth treatment 6 weeks chemo (erbitux, taxol,carboplatin) 2 weeks off 7 weeks chemo and radiation. No surgery. No tube, No port. Toughest part bad rash with chemo get on minocyline to minimize rash. Radiation burned neck had to stop 1 week before finishing. Mouth sores really bad from radiation. Looked like I was dead when they were done. Hair went to thin and total white. It was a rough protocol but that erbitux is the goods against reoccurence. Neck still numb. Can't get any major lower dental work without going in a hyperbaric chamber for 2 1/2 hours a day for month. Which i really don't see me doing. Get your bad teeth out on the bottom before you start anything and make sure your good about keeping them clean afterwards. Felt like I had a flu most of the time tylenol 8 hour was really what got me through it. Everything else was ugh! It's rough but if you're going thru it use that erbitux I really think that's the best shot on beating this long term. Let me know if I can help! GOOD LUCK. CHIN UP BE STRONG There is a light at the end of this tunnel. Peter


by Zog22 on December 14th 2009 at 7:33 pm

Hi Peter. Thanks so much for your prompt reply and encouraging remarks. I am supposed to have erbitux for the chemo part. No surgery. 7 weeks, 5 rads/week and 1 chemo/week. Start Dec. 21. I did get a full dental check & cleaning. How did you manage to eat without a tube? Were you able to swallow? Sound like you are much better with pain than I think I will be. What did you do to pass the time? How did you sleep? Could you lie down? Did you get nauseous? Could you talk? How did you get to and from the sessions? (I live alone) Were you able to shower, etc? Were you able to read & watch TV? So many questions.... Thanks again, Peter.... Don


by darrasps on December 15th 2009 at 9:45 am

Hi Don, I drove my wife came with. They won't let you leave alone. They gave me the 3 chemos 1 day a week for about 6-8 hours for 6 weeks.(erbitux, taxol, carboplatin) then 2 weeks off then lower doses of all with the radiation for 7 weeks. It's only during the radiation that the mouth sores begin. I never drank any of that stuff or took the mouthwash to numb. Just gut it out and eat soups and soft mushy stuff. I didn't miss one day of work. Of course I have my own business. The rash from the erbitux is the worst. Mine went to grade 4 in less than a week and they should have put me on the minocycline at the start. It was bad and a bloody mess. Then the 6th week of radiation just fried my neck which made them stop for a week. Another bloody mess. Just focus on yourself don't worry about anything else. Everyday you go through gets you closer to the other end of the tunnel. Upside is I don't have to shave below my jawline. HeH HeH! Never really got nausea just flu like symptoms and the tylenol 8 hour is what got me thru. I ate um. Pretty much a zombie for 4 months but oh was it worth it to stop what 40 years of smoking did! You smoked!!!! Forget about sex for while. Other than that you'll be able to do what you did not just as much. Don't forget the minocycline! Good Luck and keep me in the loop. Don't be shy ask me anything! Beat this thing!!!!!!!! Peter


by Droosa on December 21st 2009 at 12:40 pm

Don,
I just completed the same regiment you appear to have scheduled at the end of July.  I had a port put in which I think is wise and elected not to have a PEG.  Peter is right, you have to convince yourself to drink your nutrition.  It is painful, but I was drinking Ensure and lost less weight than most with a PEG.  Anyway after 7 chemo treatments and 36 radiation the biopsy of the tongue came back negative.  However, the lymph nodes in the neck did not shrink back below 1cm so my Oncologist and ENT surgeon convinced me to have a Modified Radical Neck Dissection.  I had that 2 weeks ago....  Ear is numb and one side of my mouth opens wider than the other but the Surgeon is convinced this will go back to normal.
This is cancer is bad but curable and you should have good results from the treatment.  Keep a positive attitude you will prevail and good luck
Dick


by Zog22 on December 24th 2009 at 9:27 pm

Dick, thanks so much for your reply. Congratulations on your victory! What chemo did you have?  What were the side effects? How tired were you during the treatments? What did you need most help doing? Sorry for all the Q's but I'm trying to prepare as much as possible. Thanks again for sharing your experience. Best wishes for the future. Don


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November 15th, 2009

Eating after treatment

posted by nafus0915 on 7:08 pm

My husband is 51 and was diagnosed with base of tongue cancer that spread to a lymph node in his neck.  No surgery, chemo and radiation.  His treatment ended August 3rd and still not eating or drinking anything by mouth.  He has a PEG Tube.  Doctors tell us everyone heals differently but we are frustrated.  Never thought it would be this long without eating after treatment.  Would love to hear how other have done with eating after treatment. 

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by kstover1 on November 18th 2009 at 11:45 am

nafus0915
I'm also 51 and have the same cancer your husband has, lymph node included. My last radiation treatment was Sept 16. I'm a hardhead, no feeding tube. I have managed to only lose 7 lbs through the whole ordeal. I currently drink 9 bottles of boost per day, it burns and I dread each bottle but I manage. Has you husband tried tripple mix (Saladryl Antacid Lidocain) prior to trying to drinking? Tripple mix numbs the mouth and throat, I use it with each feeding.
I'm still very weak, but alot better now that I was three weeks ago ( My treatments ended about 3 weeks ahead of your husbands). My Dr. told to not to expect much inprovement until 3 months after my last treatment.
This is the worst thing that I have ever gone through, but I honestly believe that it was/is even harder on my wife. I'm sure that  it's the same with you.
Keith
 


by nafus0915 on November 20th 2009 at 5:27 pm

Keith,
I wish you the very best and we can honestly say we know what you are going through.  My husband does use the "numbing" medicine as we call it.  He had a PET Scan last week and he is now cancer free and I know the same is in store for you.  He went to the Dr. on Thursday and he has an infection so itson antibiotics and yeast medicine.  He feels 100% better since being on this medicine.  He feels like he is close to at least drinking by mouth.  Our doctor told us last week that this will take an entire year out of our lives.  We are very grateful for his recent PET scan results and look forward to the continued healing.  Hang in there.  It is hard on the spouse and I know how your wife feels but having a cancer free husband is worth all the struggles. 


by farmgirl1 on November 21st 2009 at 12:28 pm

Hi Nafus,
My husband is 38 and finished treatment in March. He had stage IV, and had radiation and chemotherapy.   It took him several months to get his eating back, we took out his PEG in June.  As a wife, it was hard to get him to eat, he forgot that it could be pleasurable.  Pain and difficulty with swallowing would prevent him from eating much at first.  He had to start with small meals (sometimes just a few bites of pudding) and supplement with the "tube food".  I had to remind him to eat throughout the day, which was hard since it took so much energy to eat, was still so painful to eat and he would get very  frustrated.    He had to eat soft foods and to this day he still has trouble eating meats or anything that is "dry" like bread.  He has to drink tremendous amounts of fluids to get his foods down, going out to dinner is always a challenge.  It takes him a while to get his food down, so he has gotten used to eating food cold and I have gotten used to hanging out with him for 15-30 minutes while he finishes his eating.  It will get better, I know everyone says that, but it will.  My hubby has gained about 25# since March (he lost 60# during treatment) and is starting to get his tastes back.  Things don't taste the same now as before treatment, but he is learning that eating can be enjoyable.  :)  I wish you both well and I hope he will be able to eat very soon!! :)  Hang in there!


by nafus0915 on November 22nd 2009 at 8:11 pm

Did anyone have the Ethyol shot to try and save the salivary glands?  My husband did everyday before radiation but we do not know if it worked yet due to him still having the mucous.  Just wondering if anyone has had success with that.....


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November 2nd, 2009

looking for a good doctor base of tongue cancer

posted by roxiwen on 7:09 am

My father was recently diagnosed.  I want to bring him to the US from China for treatment. We will have to pay for the treatment out of pocket almost entirely thus we want to make sure he goest to the best specialist in the field.  Wondering if any of you have any suggestions in terms of a good doctor from your experience? 
Much appreciated.
 

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by kstover1 on November 13th 2009 at 7:13 am

 
Roxiwen
I don't have a doctor to suggest but do have some info that you might find helpful. I have kept a spreadsheet on all the cost associated with my base of tongue cancer. I have paid $3500 and my insurance company has paid $94,000+ for a total of over $97,500.00 (U.S. dollars). I'd be glad to send you the excel spreadsheet, it also has dates so that you see how long the process is. My treatments were completed on Sept 16th 2009, so my info is current.


by darrasps on December 14th 2009 at 11:31 am

Hi Roxiwen I went to (sylvester.org.) Univ. Miami Sylverster Comprehensive Cancer Center. Dr David Arnold/ Dr. Luis Raez 4 years still here. It was rough see above comments to zog22. It worked for me! Peter


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September 26th, 2009

I\'m Jim, new immigrant to this strange new world

posted by jeb54321 on 9:00 am

Earlier this year I got an earache that wouldn't go away. 
After several doctor visits and rounds of antibiotics, I visited an Ear, Nose and Throat specialist who felt the back of my tongue and immediately scheduled an MRI.  It revealed the right, base of my tongue and the adjacent lymph node was swollen.  I went for a biopsy the day after my son's birthday, and it confirmed squamous cell cancer.  The PET scan confirmed stage 3 (one node only).  I was immediately scheduled for eight weeks of Cisplatin and daily IMRT radiation.   The tumor shrinkage was immediate and dramatic, as was the loss of taste and ability to swallow.
My treatment was completed last week, and I am now beginning to start researching where I am, what is going to happen next, and to understand the recovery and what it means.  So far, in the greater scheme of things, I'm feeling relatively confident, but I don't know how much of that is denial or just plain ignorance.  It sounds like I've been lucky so far, but I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop. My next step is to move off of the G-tube as soon as possible, and I have no idea what sort of time frame there will be for that.  In the mean time,
I've been reading about the dangers of dehydration and malnutrition, so I'm doing the best I can to get in liquid food, and I take an extra bag of saline by IV a couple times a week. Be glad to answer an questions I can, and offer any advice based on my experience, and looking forward to gettting the same from here. My wife started a journal page for me, and I recommend it, as its been therapy to have so many people encouraging me through this whole thing. Jim

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September 18th, 2009

Feeling Great

posted by Kevin1213 on 10:19 am

My journey with "Base of Tongue SCC"  started on Oct 11, 2007 (my wifes 40th Birthday). I felt like I swallowed a pill and it did not go all the way down. I went to my GP and we thought it may of been allergies, so he put me on some steroids. Few weeks later it was back, I decided to go and see an ENT. He scoped me on Oct 11 and told me I needed to go to the hospital that night. He explained that I had a tumor that was 55% blocking my airway (I had no problem with my breathing). On Monday Oct 15 I went under the knife to do a biopsy. When I woke up I had my new friend (which I had for the next almost 7 months) the trach. The trach was done because of the location of the tumor. The first biopsy came back negative. After several more tests they decided to biopsy deeper into the tumor. It was then I was told I had SCC of the Base of Tongue. In November I started my first of 3 rounds of Chemo, I had a portacath installed in my chest. I was only 46 yrs old, my Dr told me they were going to aggressivley go after this Cancer. He literally said"we are going for the knock out punch right away" and this was going to kick my "you know what". After the 3 rounds of Chemo I did 35 rounds of Radiation then I had radioactive seeds implanted in my tounge(brachytherapy). My treatment finished May 25, 2008. I lost almost 40 lbs during this time, I had a PEG installed between Chemo and Radiation. I lost the ability to taste during the treatment but it came back soon after. I still have reduced saliva ability , but I always have water nearby. I am not a quiter, I never was a runner, but in Oct 2008 I ran my first 10K the in May of this year I ran my first Half Marathon 13 miles. I feel great, I still go for scoping and I am due for my PET in a week or two. I still get worried that it will come back but I continue to move forward. I'm back to work now about a year. If you go to www.doo-rags.com and scroll down you will see a picture of me with my wife and kids. I'm actually doing a round of chemo in the photo. My girls were the best medicine I could of asked for. Later , Livestrong 

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by mcshade on March 4th 2010 at 8:13 pm

Kevin
If looks like my cancer may have reoccured and the radioactive seeds process has been mentioned.  Can you tell me more about it?  What does it entail?  Where did you have it accomplished? etc?
Thanks
Bill
 
 


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September 15th, 2009

7 Months & doing great

posted by rnlz28 on 9:07 am

In November of 2008 I was diagnosed with a stage 3 tumor on the left base of my tongue. I was told I would be facing surgery & radiation. In December I had the PEG installed & the InfusaPort & was preparing for surgery when my surgeon said I would probably have to have the PEG the rest of my life. Wow what a shocker. She said there might be another alternative at the Southern Illiniois Head & Neck Cancer Center, but they don't take everyone for this style of treatment. So I met with the group & they looked over my scans & inspected the site. They had a split decision on my treatment, so I decided to try the non-surgical methode this consisted of 4 intra artireal chemo (placement of the chemo drug directly into the tumor), 7 weeks of radiation ( they had a RapidArc machine of which there were less than 20 in the US at the time), & 8 weeks of a research drug (Tarceva). I stood the treatment very well only having 1 bad week( if I had done what the doctor recommended probably would'nt have gotten sick). The doctors all feel the tumor is gone & I feel great. The PEG was removed in March & port removed in June. I am eating good & am able to maintain my weight, although I did loose about 60 lbs through the whole time. The support from my church, friends, & family have been overwhelming & I thank God for leading me to the SIU Cancer Center & the doctors there. Thank you especially to my wife of 30+ years for being by my side the whole time. 

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September 1st, 2009

Two Weeks to go....

posted by BDAZ on 11:08 am

Turns out there was some serious miss-diagnosis. My "clear" CT scans were re-read at the Mayo Clinic and showed and exsisting mass in February which hadn't changed significantly in the June scan. I was evaluated at Mayo for possible robotic surgery but it had progressed into my lymph nodes and so Radiaon-Chemo was called for.
The worst part was the PEG tube..intially placed too close to my rib, I came to in excruciating pain, then had to have it surgically removed and replaced and spent 3 days in the hospital. Four days later it became infected and I was rushed to the hospital and spent a week on an antibiotic drip. I lost 25 lbs during the PEG debacle! I have yet to use it but I hear the last two weeks are the worst.
The most horrible thing has been the loss of taste and saliva. I have started Salagen but I am having trouble sleeping for more than an 45 minutes at a time as my throat dries out and is extremely painful. Any suggestions, tips or tricks? I was thinking of trying a spritz of olive oil before i go to bed. The humitiy in Tucson is very low and the best humidifier I can find ups it about 2%
The chemo has been managable and well tolerated. I may have surgery at the Clinic depending of future PET scans, etc. I am planning on riding The Tour de Tucson, a 109 mile ride, assuming I am recovered enough. NExt year I am going  to Africa, rent a plane and fly to the beaches, game parks and waterfalls, etc..
Life is too short!
 
Cya!
 

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by jeb54321 on September 26th 2009 at 8:44 am

Hi!  I have a leathery tongue when I wake up in the morning, which, as frustrating as it is, helps me sleep.  But I've found that if I moisten a washcloth with warm water, and hold it in place with an outpatient "flu" mask (and sleep sitting up), it keeps me moist.  Unfortunately, it also means I continue to salivate at night.  It's a tradeoff I tolerate.  I also run a warm mist humidifier.  Salagen unfortunately made me nauseus.
Good luck!
Jim


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July 31st, 2009

Thank you for your response! I am in a fog!!!

posted by Myself1939 on 6:43 pm

I am a 70 year young woman who has had a very healthy life style for many years. In my early days, I smoked 2 cigarettes a day and then after ten years, quit. My dogs and I eat mostly organic food. They sleep on organic cotton beds. I wear organic socks even. I average 2 glasses of wine a week, run, swim, and am a passionate gardner. I am also a kayaker and have kayaked around the North Pole in Norway, Greenland and Svarlbard...when I was 66.
I was just diagnosed with tongue cancer. A large mass that is involving my voice box, tonsil areas, tongue, lymph nodes. Today I had the dental exam. Next week, my four wisdom teeth will be extracted as a precautionary move. I get my port on Thursday and begin chemo on Mon...the treatment is extensive as most of you know.
It is so sureal, I am just pretending to function as a self-employed real estate broker. I have secured all the legal aspects of wills, living wills, poa, durable power of attorney, bank accounts, my small investments... and contacting Briard Rescue so my dogs will be safe in the hands of folks who know Briards.
I am in shock. I am terrified. I am moving along with everyone, doctors, test people, nurses, as though I am in the flow...in short I am bouncing off the walls and find it difficult to steady myself...to return to my own life's language. I am trying to imagine going through this...I keep asking myself am I strong enough?
I am less afraid of dying I think than I am of all the radiation and chemo and extreme sickness...and then what after? I keep trying to focus on one day at a time, but I keep seeing my life flash in front of me...too fast.
The dogs are doing better with it than I am...I have talked to them. I talk to my friends and ask them to be joyful...help me be joyful.
I feel better just having said all of that.
I am open if anyone has any comments, tips, suggestions.
Thank you. I m, Myself in Charlotte NC


 

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July 13th, 2009

Urgent Treatment?

posted by Dennis1187 on 8:23 am

I was diagnosed with stage 4 base of tongue cancer (it had spread to my lymph nodes on the left side of my neck) July 16, 2008.  I had seen the ENT on June 25th and she ordered a biopsy immediately.  I was lucky that I found the Head and Neck Cancer Team at Florida Hospital in Winter Park, FL.  My ENT, chemotherapy doctor and radiation doctor acted as a team and decided to go for a cure rather than just manage my condition.  I was 63 years old in very good physical condition (other than the cancer) and they felt I was a good candidate for success, despite the advanced stage of my cancer.  I was a pipe smoker for 30 years and a moderate drinker.  However, I had radiation treatment at the age of 5 for recurring toncillitis and the team felt this was the most likely cause of the particular type of cancer I developed.  Normally pipe smokers are afflicted with upper tongue or lip cancer.  At any rate, I began my 9 weeks of chemotherapy in early August (3 cycles of 1 week of chemotherapy and 2 weeks off), followed by 35 radiation treatments.  I finished on January 6th of this year.  It was not fun -- went from 165 to 142 in weight and had a peg tube put in for feeding during the radiation -- this is a must!   A follow up PET scan in late February showed all the original cancer gone, but a new shadow had shown up in my throat.  It was decided that another PET scan in April should be done.  Two of the doctors felt that the shadow was from a radiation burn.  The April PET scan showed the shadow gone, but three "hot spots" on the left side of my neck, where the cancer was prior to treatment.  On May 11th I had a radical neck disection (removal of the lymph nodes, jugular vein, and neck muscle) on the left side.  I was in the hospital two days.  The pathology showed NO CANCER!  I didn\'t need the surgery, but I\'m glad I had it, now I don\'t have to worry about the cancer coming back in my neck.  By the way, on May 18, after I saw my ENT for a post-op visit, my wife and I got in our motorhome and took off on a 5,500 mile month long trip to the west coast (I even had the surgery staples removed in a walk in clinic in Albuquerque).  Our daughters and one granddaughter flew out to join us in California for two weeks.  We had planned this trip for after my treatment and I wasn\'t going to let surgery cancel it.  I feel great and my weight, while not coming back (148 pound this morning) has stabilized and my strength is returning.  The moral of the story:  Time is of the essence!  The more aggressive the treatment the better!  And don\'t let cancer stop you from doing whatever you want to do!  Don\'t feel sorry for yourself, get through the treatment one day, one hour, even one second at a time when things get really bad.  Don\'t think ahead just survive whatever is causing you pain, nausea, etc.  I look back and can\'t believe a year has passed, but while it was happening I thought it would never end, but you know, it did!  

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by catlover52 on December 15th 2009 at 10:59 pm

Reading your post has given much hope as my brother-in-law has same diagnosis as you had (tonsil/tongue, 2 nodes Stage IV). He just had 1st PET scan since treatment (chemo & 35 radiations) & dr saying it's "inconclusive" due to "something" - a shadow showing near original cancer site. They said it could be anything but that he needs to have a biopsy. I think he'll have it tomorrow. It's just so uplifting to read stories like yours as they offer so much hope just when one thinks the shoe is about to drop. How wonderful that your strength is returning and you are enjoying life once again! Best to you & to my BIL too!


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June 11th, 2009

How Urgent is Treatment?

posted by BDAZ on 11:47 am

I was diagnosed last week after a biopsy. This is after mucking around with this problem for almost  a year, 3 ENT appointments including 2 scopes, and  2 CT scans (both clear).
Other than a phone call 10 days ago. informing me that I have cancer and will need extnsive surgery, and that it is the fastest growing cancer he has ever seen, my ENT went on vacation, my referrel doc at the Mayo Clinc is also on vacation and I have yet to see a doctor.
I demanded a referrel to a local oncolgist, dropped off my scans and records at 7:30 yesterday and 36 hours and two phone calls later I still have no appointment.
Is there a need for urgency or am I over reacting? BTW,
I am a fit 61 year old former competitve cyclist and have been wearing my Livestrong wristband continously  since May, 2004...first for Lance, then my best  friend who died from cancer a couple of years ago, and I guess now for me...  
 
Thanks!

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May 9th, 2009

new to group

posted by nepis2 on 11:38 am

i am a 60 y/o man who was very active until learning I had base of tongue cancer in Feb 2009. I  never really smoked nor did I drink on a daily basis so it was even more confusing as to why I would get such a cancer.  I had a lump in my throat that my gp didn't know what it could be so I went to an enT and he found the cancer at the base of my tongue. after a PET scan it was learned that there were also two smaller tumors on the lymth nodes in my neck.  the cancer center here in RI suggested an aggrssive chemo and radiation treatment. That started six weeks ago and I am now on the last week . They said that it was going to get tougher. I wasn't  expecting it to get this bad. Now I can't seem to keep even the nausea medication down,

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by jeb54321 on September 26th 2009 at 1:22 pm

I hope you are well past your nausea issues.  My doctor told me that nausea (not pain) is my achilles heel.  During treatment I got Emend but I still had to supplement with Compazine and Ativan.  After the Emend, I switch back to Zofran, and between all that and pain meds, I limit the vomiting to once every few days.  Keeping a regular schudle has worked best for me.  Hope to hear you've recovered completely soon!


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March 25th, 2009

Living Strong

posted by drwcat on 10:46 am

Hello,
I was diagnosed in April of 2007 with squamous cell carcinoma with metastic base tongue cancer.  I went to Mayo clinic in June 07 and had 9 hr. radical neck surgery and robotic surgery to remove the small tumor on the base of my tongue.  After the one week recovery in the hospital(which wasn't very enjoyable) I came home to recover for a month before starting radiation and chemotherapy treatments. I was not able to eat normally and was getting nutrients from a feeding tube.  During the treatments I lost a considerable amount of weight due to not being able to keep much food down.  In September, I was done with both treatments.  I actually recovered fairly quickly and by Novemeber I was eating fairly normally again.  Taste was still an issue though from the radiation treatments.  I wasn't able to gain my weight back, but I had a lot more energy.  I was good to go for about 6 months till the late spring of 08 when I had some small reoccurences in lymphodes in my upper and lower chest.  I started a 4 1/2 month chemotherapy treatment again that lasted till mid July.  6 treatments in all, one every 3 weeks.  It was really hard to go thru but somehow made it.  I had another small lump in my lower neck return during those treatments but didn't have it removed till Nov 08.  The results of the biopsy showed it wasn't spreading so no other treatments were prescribed.  It is now March of 09 and I just got scan results back from my latest CT and PET scans.  Thankfully, they were clear with no sign of cancer.  I am good to go for another 3  months till the next rounds of scans.  I have gained most of my weight back and have been working out a lot to get all my strength and energy back.  I have neuropathy in my hands and feet from the chemo treatments and take some meds to help with that issue but all and all I feel pretty fortunate to be living and enjoying life and family again.
I have a lot more information if anyone has questions specifically about what I've been through over the last couple of years.  Everyone stay strong and just know that life doesn't end with this diagnoses!

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February 25th, 2009

Family member just told she has base tongue cancer

posted by Judy2Ross on 7:39 am

My sis-in-law was told last week - she has base tongue cancer.  Can a CT scan tell for sure if a tumor is malignant?  She is going to a cancer center in two weeks for a biopsy procedure.  Worried about her.....any information is welcomed.  Thanks, kindly.  Judy

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by jeb54321 on September 26th 2009 at 9:13 am

I'm no doctor, and hopefully you've already resolved this issue, but my *impression* is that only a biopsy which physically assesses the cells themselves can determine if the cancer is of a malignant type.  Scans show how much, how active, etc., but physical exams the exact nature of the cells themselves.  I found this web page useful: http://www.cvm.tamu.edu/oncology/faq/questions/cancer02.html


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